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by
platypuscrafts
on
04-Nov-2009
12:18
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1972359)
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I
would
be
interested
depending
on
the
price
of
course.
It
sounds
like
a
HUGE
job!
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Replied
by
boo512
on
04-Nov-2009
12:19
(Ref
1972361)
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I
run
between
1000
and
1500
listings
(a
little
less
just
at
the
moment)
and
use
EL
with
no
problems
at
all.
That's
not
to
say
I
wouldn't
look
at
another
option
provided
it
was
approved
by
Oztion
for
use
with
this
site
and
was
cost
effective
(bearing
in
mind
upload
fees
are
about
to
come
in
for
using
EL
so
I
would
think
they
would
have
to
apply
to
any
new
program
as
well).
I'm
having
difficulty
understanding
what
you
mean
here,
When
I
last
sold
on
this
site
in
any
quantity
back
in
2006
there
were
almost
twice
as
many
registered
users.
The
number
of
registered
users
has
never
gone
down,
it
is
and
has
always
been
steadily
rising,
so
I
don't
see
how
there
could
have
been
twice
as
many
users
in
2006,
I've
been
here
from
the
beginning
(Jan
2005)
and
that
has
never
been
the
case.
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Replied
by
platypuscrafts
on
04-Nov-2009
12:24
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1972371)
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Boo
I
could
be
wrong
but
the
way
I
read
it
you
would
still
use
EL
to
upload
your
listings
so
its
not
circumventing
that,
but
will
be
capable
of
doing
a
whole
lot
more.
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Replied
by
lifemagician
on
04-Nov-2009
15:34
(Ref
1972640)
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I
use
EL
all
the
time,
and
have
never
had
a
problem
either
creating
the
listing
or
with
the
uploading.
Can't
see
any
reason
to
'fix'
something
which
ain't
broke.
Lifey
is
happily
plodding
along
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Replied
by
cezm
on
04-Nov-2009
17:31
(Ref
1972790)
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I
have
4000
items
over
3
ids
and
would
be
interested.
I
have
had
a
number
of
issues
with
EL
uploads
the
most
recent
being
that
it
has
hung
on
to
descriptions
and
added
them
into
subsequent
listings
so
that
I
have
one
listing
correct
and
then
the
next
6
or
7
listings
have
the
correct
title,
category and
picture
but
the
description
is
the
same
as
the
first (and
irrelevant).
Then
the
8th
or
9th
on
will
have
the
correct
description
but
is
then
duplicated
to
the
next
items.
This
has
happened
before
and
I
was
informed
that
the
issue
had
been
resolved
but
obviously
not
...
no
response
to
my
contact
this
time
(I
have
asked
if
the
issues
will
be
resolved
before
the
fees
come
in).
I
have
removed
the
listings
I
have
found
but
now
I'll
need
to
go
through
each
one
and
check
...
I
am
looking
for
a tool
to
store
descriptions
etc
for
uploading
here
or
elsewhere.
One
of
the
problems
I
also
find
here
is
that
if
you
write
up
a
description
in
Word,
once
it's
transferred
to
Oztion
often
the
apostrophes
and
degree
symbols
(for
e.g.)
become
question
marks
...
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Replied
by
reallygoodbooks
on
04-Nov-2009
21:04
(Ref
1973066)
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I
have
over
6000
listings
and
I
don't
use
Express
Lister.
I
initally
used
it
a
couple
of
years
ago
but
stopped
because
of
the
problems
with
it.
What
you
are
suggesting
has
merit
so
please
let
me
know
how
you
progress.
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Replied
by
brookunga
on
06-Nov-2009
12:37
(Ref
1974755)
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Not
sure
it
will
be
economical
to
use
-
Oztion
is
intending
to
charge
for
EL
listings
specifically
-
despite
breaching
the
various
Fair
Trading
Acts.
I
presume
the
reason
is
that
it
can
be
used
to
circumvent
their
"re-listing
fees"
after
the
initial
60
day
free
period
is
up.
I
can't
see
them
allowing
another
tool
to
do
that
same
thing
and
will
charge
for
its
use.
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Replied
by
imagoscape
on
06-Nov-2009
15:11
(Ref
1974856)
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Hi
cezm,
Regarding
the
problem
of
your
text
changing,
how
are
you
transferring
the
text
from
Word
to
OZtion
Express
Lister?
Also
can
you
paste
here
an
example
with
apostrophes
and
degree
symbols?
cheers,
imagoscape
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Replied
by
graber-bargain
on
06-Nov-2009
17:08
(Ref
1975087)
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Hi
All,
Re: brookunga concern
over circumventing
Oztions
"re-listing
fees"
after
the
initial
60
day
free
period
is
up.
It
is
certainly
not
our
intent
to
circumvent
any
Oztion
policies
so
perhaps
someone
can
explain
to
me
exactly
what
this
comprises.
My
own
understanding
was
that
if
you
list
your
item
for
a
5
day
auction
and
it
fails
to
sell
and
you
listed
the
item
as
'no
relist'
then
you
should
be
able
to
resubmit
this
ad
on
day
6
as
a
'new'
listing
through
the
front
end
with
no
listing
costs.
From
my
reading
of
their
announcement,
their
intent
is
still
to
offer
a
free
listing
option
for
users
of
the
front
end
and
only
charge
for
automatic
relists
performed
by
their
own
software
(either
EL
or
through
the
auto-relist
function
on
their
site),
which
is
fair
enough
as
they
are
taking
the
work
of
retyping
the
ads
out
of
your
hands
and
performing
this
on
your
behalf.
We
would
in
no
way
contravene
that
by
using
their
software
to
relist
any
of
the
ads. Nor
do
we
particularly
require
EL
at
all
-
we
simply
offered
that
as
a
way
to
more
easily
construct
the
ads
before
uploading.
They
have
no
problem
with
you
(for
example)
hiring
a
person
or
persons
to
enter
the
ads
en-masse
through
their
front
end
as
you,
and
not
they,
are
doing
the
work
of
re-submitting
the
ads.
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by
brookunga
on
06-Nov-2009
18:00
(Ref
1975199)
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The
proposed
changes
are
seen
here:
http://www.oztion.com.au/Community/announcement.aspx
Scroll
down
to:
"Changes
to
fees
(for
sellers)"
There
is
a
free
auto
re-list
for
60
days
unless
sold
earlier
-
the
"No
sale
no
fee"
thing.
What
Oztion
has
done
is
to
start
charging
for
the
re-listing
after
the
60
days
is
up
-
a
fee
of
6
cents
per
item
if
using
theiur
auto
re-list
service
OR
8
cents
if
you
do
it
manually.
Becasue
EL
(and
any
othe
like
software)
can
circumvent
this
re-listing
fee
they
propose
a
(illegal)
dual
pricing
structure
for
listing.
The
sole
reason
for
that
is
to
prevent
re-lising
via
EL
as
a
"new"
listing
-
which
obviously
something
that
has
already
been
listed
for
60
days
is
not.
I
can't
see
Oztion
allowing
any
other
software
to
circumvent
this
re-listing
fee
either
and
it
WILL
be
charged
for
with
their
dual
pricing
policy
-
unless
someone
gets
Consumer
Affairs
on
their
tail
first.
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by
cezm
on
09-Nov-2009
20:10
(Ref
1979111)
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Hi
imagoscape
Sorry
I
didn't
get
back
here
earlier
...
I
have
been
trying
to
sort
out
what
to
do
with
my
other
ids
before
the
fee
impost.
One
of
the
ads
I
have
at
the
moment
is
for
golf
clubs.
I
copied
the
Word
text
into
the
editor
and
it
showed
correctly
as
degree
symbols
in
preview ...
once
it
was
listed
it
ended
up
like
this.
Included
are:
Taylor
Made
Titanium
10.5??
Driver
King
Cobra
10.5??
Driver
350cc
oversize
tip
King
Cobra
7 Wood
22??
I
even
had
a
buyer
message
me
asking
if
I
knew
that
they
were
supposed
to
be
degrees!
I
haven't
gone
through
to
find
an example
of
the
apostrophes
yet
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by
horizon
on
10-Nov-2009
00:18
(Ref
1979360)
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Not
sure
exactly
what
you
are
after.
Are
you
trying
to
have
the
degree
symbol
replace
the
"??"
in
your
listing
so
it
appears
something
like
this:
Included
are:
Taylor
Made
Titanium
10.5°
Driver
King
Cobra
10.5°
Driver
350cc
oversize
tip
King
Cobra
7
Wood
22°
BTW:
Taylor
Made
-
should
be
"Tailor-Made"
as
in
"Custom
Made"
(unless
you
are
trying
to
state
that
the
clubs
are
made
by
a
person
named
Taylor)
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by
cezm
on
10-Nov-2009
08:41
(Ref
1979521)
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Hi
horizon
I
keep
putting
the correct
symbol
in
but
when
I
come
back
to
the
listing
it
has
changed
again!
...
usually
after
maintenance
...
The
brand
is
TaylorMade
...
so
I
need
to
remove
the
space
if
I
relist
...
thanks
for
pointing
that
out
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Replied
by
imagoscape
on
10-Nov-2009
10:48
(Ref
1979662)
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Hi
cezm,
I
suggest
that
you
do
the
following
steps
for
adding
the
degrees
symbols
in
your
product
description
:
1.
Edit
Item
2.
Click
on
Description
Builder
3.
Click
on
HTML
button
4.
Enter
°
5.
Press
Preview
Listing
button
6.
Press
Confirm
and
go
back
cheers,
imagoscape
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Replied
by
graber-bargain
on
10-Nov-2009
11:05
(Ref
1979675)
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Hi
All,
This
thread
was
set
up
for
sellers
like
myself
with
a
need
for
a
better
bulk
listing
tool
(an
alternative
to
EL).
If
you
have
one
or
are
interested
in
one
being
developed
please
reply
here.
Can
we
move
the
'off
topic
issues'
to
another
thread?
I
think
it
will
become
very
confusing
to
any
new
readers
just
what
this
thread
is
about
and
your
advice
will
be
lost
to
other
sellers
who
may
need
it
as
the
topic
heading
will
not
match
the
content.
PS:
I
hope
you
have
fixed
your
problem
with
the
symbol
translation
between
these
two
editors
 .
Thanks,
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by
cezm
on
10-Nov-2009
20:29
(Ref
1980463)
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My
apologies
graber-bargain
....
my
problem
with
the
symbols
was
one
of
the
reasons
I
was
after
a
new
uploader
...
didn't
mean
for
it
to
take
over
...
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Replied
by
richbg
on
12-Nov-2009
15:02
(Ref
1982579)
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Hi
graber-bargain.
Any
time
spent
on
developing
a
new
listing
upload
tool
should
not
use
EL
at
all.
I
mentioned
to
you
on
the
phone
recently
that
we
already
have
this
kind
of
exact
tool
already
(we
developed
it
a
long
time
ago
-
was
easy)
-
i.e.
a
quick/easy
system
to
convert
and
import
a
spreadsheet
file
directly
into
OZtion's
EL
program
-
it
works
well,
and
any/all
fields
are
much
quicker
to
edit
than
the
cumbersome
method
within
EL.
We
can
also
convert
from
one
site
(e.g.
ebay)
to
another
using
our
code,
but
the
problem
is
that
all
of
this
is
going
to
be
much
less
useful
soon,
once
Oztion
start
charging
for
listing
via
EL.
The
low
sales
doesn't
justify
the
expense
of
paying
listings
fees
on
all
uploads.
Also,
it's
useless
for
future
(full
automation)
purposes,
because
it
still
requires
significant
human
input
to
operate
it,
such
as
run
this
script/batch-file,
which
lastly
loads
EL,
then
human
operates
EL
to
choose
import,
select
file,
assign
Vshop-categories
(sadly
this
can't
be
done
in
the
import-file
-
an
unfortunate
oversight
there),
fiddle
around
in
EL
with
all
the
excessive
confirm
boxes,
etc.
Did
you
make
any
progress
on
the
fully
automated
lister?
i.e.
just
run
a
script
or
program
and
show
it
your
upload
file
and
off
it
goes....
(which
a
program
could
later
use
and
have
full
automation)?
Regards,
Ric.
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by
graber-bargain
on
12-Nov-2009
16:29
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1982736)
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Hi
All,
Firstly
cezm,
fully
understand
and
most
likely
this
will
help
you
as
it
does
not
use
its
own
editor
but
whichever
editor
you
used
to
build
the
file
i.e.
if
you
build
it
on
Oztion
site
and
download
this
working
copy
to
EL
then
the
file
EL
exports
to
Excel
should
be
a
good
template
to
create
other
copies
of
that
same
working
template
to
use
with
your
other
products.
To
richbg,
yes,
quite
a
bit
of
progress
so
far,
We
are
just
getting
our
system
to
automatically
run
EL
and
export
the
file
for
the
user.
It
then
strips
out
the
data
and
runs
an
upload
process
(i.e
Our
program
logs
in
or
if
user
prefers
not
to
log
in
through
us
it
can
attach
itself
to
an
existing
Internet
Explorer
Window
already
signed
on
to
Oztion
and
then
begins
uploading
items
one
at
a
time).
It
will
then
check
the
Selling
Listings
page
to
confirm
the
ones
we
uploaded
were
received
(have
not
determined
how
we
will
do
this
for
scheduled
later
items
and
not
sure
if
they
are
listed
on
your
selling
page
before
they
go
live).
Any
that
were
not
uploaded
will
be
added
back
to
be
restarted
list
if
needed.
As
explained
in
my
initial
post
we
are
not
using
EL
for
the
upload.
Its
use
is
only
optional
to
create
the
adverts
in
the
first
place
either
on
your
PC
or
you
can
create
them
on
Oztion
and
then
downloaded
via
EL
to
your
PC.
This
is
because
we
don’t
wish
to
create
yet
another
PC
front
end
to
create
ads
with
or
auction
monitoring/management
system
until
we
determine
there
is
enough
demand
for
it.
We
use
EL
export
file
function
just
to
ensure
we
have
all
the
fields
we
need
for
the
upload.
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by
graber-bargain
on
12-Nov-2009
16:32
(Ref
1982745)
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Part
2
We
have
created
functionality
to
strip
out
the
XML
file
data
so
that
we
can
upload
it,
but
we
could
easily
change
the
code
to
upload
from
a
template
CSV
file
we
could
ship
with
the
product.
No
Vshop
functions
at
this
time
as
I
have
not
really
worried
about
that
side
of
it
for
the
first
cut.
It
should
not
be
much
effort
to
add
this
later
once
I
have
the
normal
ads
uploading.
Much
of
the
coding
effort
is
around
making
a
robust
and
restartable
process
at
the
moment
ensuring
good
logging
of
what
is
being
done
and
ability
to
restart
from
a
known
point
if
server
logs
out
or
times
out
on
their
end
e.t.c.
and
having
to
overcome
many
issues
such
as
multiple
instances
of
windows
logged
in
and
multiple
versions
of
Internet
Explorer
behaving
differently
and
possible
changes
Oztion
could
make
that
we
can
rapidly
react
to
via
an
update
to
an
ini
file
rather
than
a
re-release
of
new
versions.
Initially
we
plan
to
release
a
low
cost/low
function
version
of
the
code,
and
then
if
there
is
interest,
we
can
increase
functionality
over
time
and
add
any
other
site
people
want
to
be
able
to
upload
to
(depends
on
numbers
interested
in
that
site
of
course).
Sorry
to
all
for
the
delay
in
my
replies
but
I
don’t
check
my
Oztion
mail
box
often
as
I
am
not
selling
anything
online
at
the
moment.
Once
I
get
this
system
up
and
running
I
will
hopefully
be
signed
in
more
often.
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graber-bargain
on
30-Nov-2009
16:55
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Just
to
let
you
all
know,
most
of
the
Express
Lister
Export
(Backup
file
creating)
and
Settings
seem
to
be
working
fine
and
the
Upload
functionality
is
also
getting
there
fast.
We
want
to
include
a
converter
to
take
the
XML
file
that
EL
exports
and
produce
a
simple
CSV
file
that
sellers
can
'manipulate'
before
they
upload
(currently
it
just
assumes
everything
in
current
EL
file
is
to
be
uploaded).
Still
a
few
more
things
to
get
working
like
conversion
of
Start
time
from
a
"Date/Time
+10
hours"
(as
it
is
stored
in
the
XLM
file
that
EL
exports)
to
the
drop
down
equivalent
of
"start
in
x
hours"
used
on
the
entry
screen
and
so
forth.
Our
utility
is
browser
independent
so
should
work
on
any
Windows
platform
that
uses
IE
technology
from
Windows
2000
and
up
(but
we
will
have
to
test
this
first).
Hoping
to
have
something
for
the
community
just
before
Xmas
at
this
stage.
It
should
overcome
all
the
Vista
and
Seven
operating
system
hassles
some
people
have
experienced
using
EL
to
do
the
uploads
recently.
I
am
keen
to
get
a
Beta
out
asap.
Let
me
know
what
sort
of
other
things
you
as
a
community
would
like
it
to
do
and
if
there
is
enough
interest
we
can
start
working
on
that
as
time
and
resources
permit.
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