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Posted by earths-emporium on 05-Nov-2009 11:35 Report
YARN SELLERS
Could you please put the ply, or the needle size needed to use the yarn, or the stitches per inch to show what ply or needles are needed.

Pretty balls of yarn with no info,  no weights, no plys helps not one iota.

I want to buy yarns, so my neighbour also decided yep she would knit to, nope, not a happening, you can't tell whether most of the yarns are thick or thin, summer or winter weight and you can't tell what ply they are or what size needles you knit the yarn up on.

Go look at the other side, because most of them have their descriptions down pat, I only say this, because I and my neighbour make two women who wanted to purchase yarn and couldn't because you can't match it to patterns you have with no info.
 
Replied by sheila-bloke47 on 05-Nov-2009 11:41 (Ref 1973548) Report
I'll also add to this another yarn story.
Went looking for yarn to purchase for mother to knit with.  Not specific yarns as she's pass  making cardy's or jumpers.  She bides here time making squares then blankets.

3 balls of wool, postage $5.60 upwards.  If more sellers took a bit of effort in packaging their yarn into boxes or even strong sturdy re-usable envelopes making postage cheaper then I for one would be purchasing more wool on the internet for mum.    500 gram bags may be an easy way out but for me they meant no sale. 
Replied by bulkbabe on 05-Nov-2009 12:01 (Ref 1973571) Report
not all balls say the ply or needle size

the idea was, you like the wool, but it then get pattern or not & make something
 
so the ply is not a huge deterrent
unless doing it vice versa where you are searching for a particular ply

c&d

they need no boxes, only plastic bag envelope or satchel

unless its a huge bulk lot then they get boxed

thats just me & has worked fine thus far
Replied by earths-emporium on 05-Nov-2009 12:06 (Ref 1973572) Report
I have heaps of patterns, and have knitted different wools to differing patterns with great success, but you need to know what ply, if not the ply, the tension, or the needle size, now if the dillies over the bay can do it, why can't our sellers.
Replied by marian-48 on 05-Nov-2009 12:06 (Ref 1973574) Report
Whats the PATTER? You need to know the ply to know which pattern to use. Marian
Replied by earths-emporium on 05-Nov-2009 12:16 (Ref 1973578) Report
No marian, my books tell me the ply, but most of the yarns on here have no description except the name of the wool.

No needle sizes no stitches per........... and no ply.

So if I go through my books and see a couple of nice patterns I would like to knit up (not necessarily in the stated yarn) then it makes it so hard to choose a yarn you no nothing about and there is no info on it.

I have just matched two patterns to two lots of yarn on the other side, because the Sellers had what size needles the yarn is knitted on, and how many stitches per ........ (what ever).

Many of the yarns mentioned in my pattern books have been discontinued, but I have been able to knit up the patterns because I could match tension and needle size to other yarns.

Also some yarns are 50g balls and some are 100g balls (for example) many here don't say what the grams are, so do you need five balls or ten.
Replied by earths-emporium on 05-Nov-2009 12:19 (Ref 1973580) Report

picture shows one ball but you are bidding on

8 balls of 50 gm

soft knitting cotton

shade no 61

dyelot 11142

6ply

And when the yarns don't have the ply, many Sellers over there put the stitche tension or needle sizes which means you can marry it up with your patterns.

Replied by lifemagician on 05-Nov-2009 13:08 (Ref 1973605) Report

As well as all that's mentioned above, could sellers please state what yarn they are selling.   I have seen far too many stating that they are selling knitting WOOL, yet from the label I know that it is actually an acrylic.... NOT wool.

earths is correct in speaking about knitting YARN, and wool is only one of the many yarns available.

So please, we need accurate information before we can make a purchase.

Lifey who prefers 100% pure wool


Replied by bulkbabe on 05-Nov-2009 13:09 (Ref 1973608) Report
yes i changed mine a while back to avoid confusion but that can be used as wool is a generic word

c&d

100% pure wool
as long as you dont expect it for acrylic price

its very expensive in bm shops now, that's if you find it
Replied by dtfonehome on 05-Nov-2009 13:37 (Ref 1973620) Report
you're 'spot on' , earth......how would a beginner know what 'feather's' wool is used for?


Replied by remayne on 05-Nov-2009 13:56 (Ref 1973634) Report
I've never seen wool still in its packaging that doesn't have a needle/tension size on it
Replied by xentric-emu on 05-Nov-2009 14:29 (Ref 1973657) Report
Patons, in particular, are guilty of not putting ply on a lot of their yarns.  New or old yarns, Patons have a lot that do not mention ply.  I have been compiling a list of Paton yarns for some time now and adding to it each time I find out a ply.  I get asked quite often what ply a certain yarn is as I am selling all my knitting/crochet books.  Some I can remember off the top of my head, others I have to refer to my list.  And others ...... no idea :)

remayne I have Sirdar Voyager DK still in its original packaging and it doesn't mention ply or needles required.  It does mention the blend, dye lot, tension etc.
Replied by iandu on 05-Nov-2009 14:37 (Ref 1973666) Report
hi i sell wool, yep basically from the sheeps back.
its ply is listed. but we dont know about size of needles needed etc...
as its straight from the factory floor, still in hank form. 100% wool.
How do you know what needle size is for what ply??
I just have it listed as natural wool 8 ply, is that ok or do i need more info??

Diana xx
Replied by lifemagician on 05-Nov-2009 14:58 (Ref 1973708) Report

Quote:  How do you know what needle size is for what ply??

Needle size is probably the least important, as it greatly depends on the knitter, and how loose or tightly they work.  It is much more useful to know ply and / or tension.  Of these I would say that tension is the most important, as that can be matched directly to the tension requirement for any pattern.



Replied by remayne on 05-Nov-2009 15:00 (Ref 1973711) Report
Patons usually put needles used on their label which I can work out.

DK is 8ply isn't it? Or is there another DK?
Replied by leigh3875 on 05-Nov-2009 15:06 (Ref 1973720) Report
i have always thought DK and Totem are both 8 ply
And has been stated MANY yarn manufacturers do not put Ply on their labels, and the size needles used depend on the knitter as does stitches per 5 cm
bluebell is 4 ply ....................
Feathers knits up to about 8ply

Cheers
Leigh
Replied by lifemagician on 05-Nov-2009 15:08 (Ref 1973722) Report

Quote:
as long as you dont expect it for acrylic price

In the long run, wool is much more economical than anything else.   I have woollen garments which I knitted almost twenty years ago and have worn every winter since, washed carefully by hand, and are still going strong.   These have outlasted many acrylic garments, and besides, keep their nice look and are much, much warmer.

its very expensive in bm shops now, that's if you find it

The excellent mail catalogue service from Bendigo Woollen Mills, makes it very, very affordable.   One can knit an adult man's jumper for $75 - $100.   And it will last for decades!! 




Replied by lifemagician on 05-Nov-2009 15:10 (Ref 1973724) Report

Oooops!!!   Leigh.   

Patons Bluebell is 5 ply.


Replied by earths-emporium on 05-Nov-2009 16:03 (Ref 1973770) Report
I will google the Bendigo Woollen Mills and see if I can get a look at their info.  Would come in very handy.
Replied by tmbjewels on 05-Nov-2009 16:29 (Ref 1973821) Report
Sorry but some of us cant afford $75 - $100 for one jumper.. and ...some of us are allergic to wool ... So acrylic has to be the one to use...I even get a rash just knitting wool....
Replied by lifemagician on 05-Nov-2009 16:47 (Ref 1973856) Report

tmb, I am fully aware of that.   One of my grandchildren is too.

Just that this thread is about stating accurately what is being listed, not about the merits of the yarn.  And I maintain that whatever fible is used in the yarn, should be mentioned in the description.

My comment about the merits of pure wool was in answer to another member's remark about the cost. 


Replied by earths-emporium on 05-Nov-2009 16:56 (Ref 1973877) Report
I have a hand knitted Aaran, I didn't knit it was a gift to me, it is valued at over $600.00, it cost the person who gave it to me approx $100.00 to knit in pure wool.  It is five years old and looks as if it just came out of a designer store.  It wears and washes beautifully.

That equates to $20.00 a year to cover a magnificient sweater for the last five years, and it will still be in A1 condition in another 5 years time.

My son can't wear wool either, so it is synthetics for him also.  My husband has a Patons Totem Turtle Neck Sweater in a Gunmetal Tweed colour.  I hand knitted it for my first husband over fourty years ago, it looks brand new and the wool is superb and people often ask him where he bought it from, when he tells them how old it is I am sure they don't believe him.
Replied by earths-emporium on 05-Nov-2009 17:04 (Ref 1973894) Report
WOW, what a great site, now I can purchase patterns on OZ and be able to source a world of wonderful yarns.

Perhaps some of our Sellers can have a look at the site, and put together information to help identify their yarns here on OZtion.
Replied by earths-emporium on 05-Nov-2009 17:15 (Ref 1973915) Report
This is a top I have been looking for yarn for on OZtion.  Through the Mills I can get the yarn and knit this top for$28.50

I purchased the pattern off OZtion :) and I will purchase the beads off OZtion because I want glass not wood (as wood often runs stains when washed).

I purchased some lovely sheer black crepe chiffon with beautiful blue butterflys and terracotta flowers on it, off Oztion, and I will make this up into a skirt and I can match the blue in the butterfly's to make the top for my skirt.

Replied by dtfonehome on 05-Nov-2009 17:44 (Ref 1973957) Report
wow earth, pretty top......it would look lovely knitted in a cotton yarn, seeing as us banana-benders get so much heat up here........guffaw, guffaw......................lol


I knitted my daughter a sky blue cardigan in cotton yarn and it washes like a dream, and is now over 10 years old...........AND it wasn't that expensive...............................
Replied by piratepete on 05-Nov-2009 18:30 (Ref 1974018) Report
I've never seen wool still in its packaging that doesn't have a needle/tension size on it



Where?
Replied by bulkbabe on 05-Nov-2009 18:37 (Ref 1974023) Report
Perhaps some of our Sellers can have a look at the site, and put together information to help identify their yarns here on OZtion.

& charge the same prices they do

c&d
Replied by earths-emporium on 05-Nov-2009 18:37 (Ref 1974025) Report
t o u c h e :)
Replied by piratepete on 05-Nov-2009 19:14 (Ref 1974069) Report
I'll give you that one, BB
Replied by lifemagician on 05-Nov-2009 19:27 (Ref 1974088) Report

If it is the same quality... why not charge the same price.   BWM prices are bargain basement prices when compared with other large woollen yarn manufacturers... and far superior quality.


Replied by earths-emporium on 05-Nov-2009 19:30 (Ref 1974094) Report
But bb do you have four and eight ply cottons to knit with?

I washed my green lace tablecloth today to get ready for Christmas, it is beautiful, it doesn't look much in the pack because all you see is deep dark green lace, but when you open it out, it is stunning, good value that purchase has been.
Replied by remayne on 05-Nov-2009 21:14 (Ref 1974216) Report
Where?

it's always stamped under the tail
Replied by bulkbabe on 05-Nov-2009 21:25 (Ref 1974230) Report
I love sheep, I feel sorry for them been abused by mankind

funny that

the kind bit

c&
Replied by dtfonehome on 05-Nov-2009 21:30 (Ref 1974242) Report
Lookout BB, someone might be tempted to come in here and call you a 'dag'.................lol
Replied by piratepete on 05-Nov-2009 21:48 (Ref 1974267) Report
What tail?

They get removed before they're mulesed.

Mulesing - a practice where sheep cruelly have skin folds removed from their posterior.

As opposed to not mulesing - where sheep are left prone to fly strike. Which means flies lay their larvae in the skin folds. The larvae hatch and then proceed to eat the sheeps' arses. Much more humane than the one-off practice referred to above.
Replied by piratepete on 05-Nov-2009 21:49 (Ref 1974268) Report
I love sheep,

Me too. Chops, shanks, leg. Yummo.
Replied by earths-emporium on 06-Nov-2009 08:18 (Ref 1974548) Report
Anda perfectly cooked roast is Devine, just pink not grey and overcooked, and fresh mint sauce, and crispy baked vegies and peas yummoooooooo

Now what ply do they come in
Replied by dtfonehome on 06-Nov-2009 08:28 (Ref 1974557) Report
four.........................-quarters
Replied by earths-emporium on 06-Nov-2009 14:37 (Ref 1974822) Report
Hey I meant to ask (any one got any)  and to mention I am going to be using the new bamboo knitting needles, instead of using ones made from petroleum by products bamboo is a sustainable eco friendly choice.
Replied by wen-ever on 06-Nov-2009 16:57 (Ref 1975064) Report
I have a hand knitted Aaran, I didn't knit it was a gift to me, it is valued at over $600.00, it cost the person who gave it to me approx $100.00 to knit in pure wool.  It is five years old and looks as if it just came out of a designer store.  It wears and washes beautifully.

That equates to $20.00 a year to cover a magnificient sweater for the last five years, and it will still be in A1 condition in another 5 years time.

Earth, when would you possibly wear that in Cairns??

I live 8 hours underneath you and there is no way even in winter I could don a full knitted jumper

insert sweating smiley face <--beads of sweat not tears
Replied by earths-emporium on 06-Nov-2009 17:06 (Ref 1975083) Report
Wore it at Crookwell in New South Wales, in Goulburn, in Sydney and at Millaa Millaa on the tablelands, at the moment it is packed in acid free tissue in a space bag with a dozen other beautiful hand knits,  I could cry every time I see them.

I miss my wonderful hand knits, and long skirts and leather boots, up here, it's no knickers, no bras, no shoes, and as little as society will allow that is sociably  acceptable.
Replied by wen-ever on 06-Nov-2009 17:43 (Ref 1975151) Report
I' m an ex South Aussie......down south Mt Gambier I DON"T mis the rugging up I an tell you.

I love wearing little things to keep cool
Replied by brerrabbit on 06-Nov-2009 19:21 (Ref 1975316) Report
& charge the same prices they do

Yep, it's a fact - most people listing wool from Bendigo Woollen Mills price them so they work out more expensive than buying them direct from the factory, possibly because they don't realise it's so much cheaper than all the other brands.  I think if you spend $30 at the factory your postage is free.  I've been using their wool since they first started operations in 1985 and I wouldn't use anything else now.  I've still got every shade card they ever put out, too.
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